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	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Think Different by Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Silvana said there needs to be a way to create accountability. For many that still means standardized tests.

I agree with your post, I just wonder how, in a world ruled by the bottom line, do we then convince the established powers that a multiple choice test isn't the bottom line?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-07e2be14f9e8b7517cdc5468a5d435a0e4f072b5'>As Silvana said there needs to be a way to create accountability. For many that still means standardized tests.</p>
<p>I agree with your post, I just wonder how, in a world ruled by the bottom line, do we then convince the established powers that a multiple choice test isn&#8217;t the bottom line?</p></div>
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		<title>Comment on Innovate, or die. by David Brim</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Brim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1297</guid>
		<description>Very good post.  The web has enabled any one to publish content.  With that ability comes great power and a great responsibility.  Though you can find content on nearly anything online credibility is extremely important.  

I've often thought that if someone is disciplined enough they could actually teach themselves virtually any trade or subject just by gathering quality content online.  Engaging and working with others to learn can especially solidify this process.  Though you learn in college, I feel almost any Tom, Dick or Harry can get a degree and graduate with virtually no knowledge or talent.  However in today's society it is necessary to have that stamp of credibility and "Your Deemed Competent by Society Sticker" aka a diploma (Which I recently have obtained)

Anyways...on the note of students helping students check out http://GroupTable.com it's a site I co-founded to help fellow students form online study groups, manage group projects and other groups.  It's free and we've gotten a great response from people so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-c5d5b2fddc898bf8d34331f9c2e86cbb3a776630'>Very good post.  The web has enabled any one to publish content.  With that ability comes great power and a great responsibility.  Though you can find content on nearly anything online credibility is extremely important.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often thought that if someone is disciplined enough they could actually teach themselves virtually any trade or subject just by gathering quality content online.  Engaging and working with others to learn can especially solidify this process.  Though you learn in college, I feel almost any Tom, Dick or Harry can get a degree and graduate with virtually no knowledge or talent.  However in today&#8217;s society it is necessary to have that stamp of credibility and &#8220;Your Deemed Competent by Society Sticker&#8221; aka a diploma (Which I recently have obtained)</p>
<p>Anyways...on the note of students helping students check out <a href="http://GroupTable.com" rel="nofollow">http://GroupTable.com</a> it&#8217;s a site I co-founded to help fellow students form online study groups, manage group projects and other groups.  It&#8217;s free and we&#8217;ve gotten a great response from people so far.</div>
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		<title>Comment on Innovate, or die. by Innovate, or die. at Two Penguins and a Typewriter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Innovate, or die. at Two Penguins and a Typewriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 05:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Innovate, or die. by Jeff Nugent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nugent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with the basic ideas you present of the "flat classroom" with the attendant power shifts and engaging students in the role of teaching, I have some questions about the "us" and "my generation" you speak of. There certainly seems to be greater numbers of students engaging with the web in ways you describe, but is it so all-encompassing? I guess I've always been a bit skeptical of the sweeping generalization...

Also wondering what your thoughts might be for educators who sense the changes that are afoot, but might lack the guidance and community needed to support the innovations you describe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-bdca76d115cdbee95608419a886f266403a868b4'>While I agree with the basic ideas you present of the &#8220;flat classroom&#8221; with the attendant power shifts and engaging students in the role of teaching, I have some questions about the &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;my generation&#8221; you speak of. There certainly seems to be greater numbers of students engaging with the web in ways you describe, but is it so all-encompassing? I guess I&#8217;ve always been a bit skeptical of the sweeping generalization...</p>
<p>Also wondering what your thoughts might be for educators who sense the changes that are afoot, but might lack the guidance and community needed to support the innovations you describe?</p></div>
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		<title>Comment on Innovate, or die. by Aron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I was just remarking to myself about the opposite the other day. We innovate and produce, yes, but as the world educates itself, we are losing workforce in the most basic sectors of production. Factory workers are no longer content to be oppressed and underpaid (which is a good thing) but they're also no longer content to be factory workers (which is not). 

We are not ready to replace what is missing with robots. There's going to be a point that will feel like when you're expecting another step but all you find is air... and I'm predicting that it's going to revolutionize the cushioned way of life that a lot of people are living.

By the way, does anybody see a sort of global pattern? Where education prevails, development falters. Europe and, more recently, America are perfect examples of this. On the other hand you've got places of abject poverty and blossoming populations. China, India. I don't know if its because they've got a further way to go to reach international standards, or if it is their immense workforce and drive to move forwards.

Sort of like the Olympics - inevitably, the nation with the largest population is bound to trump the others (eventually)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-c5d5bed69111d396c51a4080ac3f609e63be9168'>Funny, I was just remarking to myself about the opposite the other day. We innovate and produce, yes, but as the world educates itself, we are losing workforce in the most basic sectors of production. Factory workers are no longer content to be oppressed and underpaid (which is a good thing) but they&#8217;re also no longer content to be factory workers (which is not). </p>
<p>We are not ready to replace what is missing with robots. There&#8217;s going to be a point that will feel like when you&#8217;re expecting another step but all you find is air... and I&#8217;m predicting that it&#8217;s going to revolutionize the cushioned way of life that a lot of people are living.</p>
<p>By the way, does anybody see a sort of global pattern? Where education prevails, development falters. Europe and, more recently, America are perfect examples of this. On the other hand you&#8217;ve got places of abject poverty and blossoming populations. China, India. I don&#8217;t know if its because they&#8217;ve got a further way to go to reach international standards, or if it is their immense workforce and drive to move forwards.</p>
<p>Sort of like the Olympics - inevitably, the nation with the largest population is bound to trump the others (eventually)</p></div>
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		<dc:creator>Links « Tie Dyed Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a look at Sean “The Bass Player” post Think Different at Students 2.0. Yet another plea for treating students [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-93455edf473e33add4c4aff2cd9f16eeef296865'>[...] a look at Sean &#8220;The Bass Player&#8221; post Think Different at Students 2.0. Yet another plea for treating students [...]</div>
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		<title>Comment on Innovate, or die. by Ingunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ingunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting and provocative, but how exactly do you suggest this shift should happen? What do the students want from their teachers? Or maybe they don't want to have teachers anymore at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-20bedab6fbd754427d9c62a60c7da77dac8bbb73'>Interesting and provocative, but how exactly do you suggest this shift should happen? What do the students want from their teachers? Or maybe they don&#8217;t want to have teachers anymore at all?</div>
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		<title>Comment on Think Different by Think Different? « Tie Dyed Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Different? « Tie Dyed Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] · No Comments  Have a look at Sean “The Bass Player” post Think Different at Students 2.0. Yet another plea for treating students [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-ef7850d1413c727711c07d84c7179043bf4cafc4'>[...] &middot; No Comments  Have a look at Sean &#8220;The Bass Player&#8221; post Think Different at Students 2.0. Yet another plea for treating students [...]</div>
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		<title>Comment on Think Different by Leonard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What surprises me about wonderful posts like this is how much they match what our current business leaders say is missing in our education system - teaching people to think, deal with new situations, innovate, make decisions, etc. Our current system is based on educating people for an economy we don't have anymore and now its not just the artists and inventors and thinkers that are getting beaten down by the system, but everyone.

We need to have a system that let each student grow to their own potential, not to some arbitrarily set line that ends up not working for anyone.

I work in a school dedicated to that. Its called Montessori. www.hillcountrymontessori.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-089ffc37f66354baf528abab9e665956f03c5dc5'>What surprises me about wonderful posts like this is how much they match what our current business leaders say is missing in our education system - teaching people to think, deal with new situations, innovate, make decisions, etc. Our current system is based on educating people for an economy we don&#8217;t have anymore and now its not just the artists and inventors and thinkers that are getting beaten down by the system, but everyone.</p>
<p>We need to have a system that let each student grow to their own potential, not to some arbitrarily set line that ends up not working for anyone.</p>
<p>I work in a school dedicated to that. Its called Montessori. <a href="http://www.hillcountrymontessori.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.hillcountrymontessori.org</a></div>
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		<dc:creator>BSCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The part about some people being labled "smart" just because they are able to effectively retain information and recite it back under pressure is pretty accurate. To me, this isn't what school should solely be about. Sure, we may need to memorize facts, stats and information from time to time, but creating a positive creative environment for each student to evolve is what we should all be striving for. Thanks for the inspiration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-7c99d80adcde6033ff03f748d0916f1187976392'>The part about some people being labled &#8220;smart&#8221; just because they are able to effectively retain information and recite it back under pressure is pretty accurate. To me, this isn&#8217;t what school should solely be about. Sure, we may need to memorize facts, stats and information from time to time, but creating a positive creative environment for each student to evolve is what we should all be striving for. Thanks for the inspiration.</div>
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