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		<title>By: Thing 5 &#124; SheltonWeb2.0</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1627</link>
		<dc:creator>Thing 5 &#124; SheltonWeb2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article &#8220;Innovate or Die&#8221; caught my eye.  While I concede that there was a time when education was simply delivered [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-e809eb4017b9c6def158020f264771460a06a30b'>[...] article &#8220;Innovate or Die&#8221; caught my eye.  While I concede that there was a time when education was simply delivered [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Henry</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1596</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1596</guid>
		<description>Hello, Anthony. I just had my (first) 40th birthday this year, and I am taking a course that helps teachers integrate technology into the curriculum. At age 40, I can say that there is no substitute for the accomplishment of doing anything remotely specialized (like a job, hobby, sport, gardening, higher education, being a friend/spouse)than long-term experience; I'm thinking a decade or more as a ball-park. 

When I look at the median-aged/experienced teacher, those of us with about 15 years or so under our belts, I can honestly say that most of my colleagues in that category are working hard on a daily basis to find ways to teach better, doing anything to make learning happen. We care, and that is more important than anything else in my book.

In Ecclesiastes, a book from somewhere in the middle of the Bible, written by King Solomon, he write that "there is nothing new under the sun." Solomon did not use a pencil to write those words. He may not have even written them by his own hand, but by dictation to a scribe. In any case, Solomon was putting out his thoughts, and I can read them today, even online! The medium is not as important as the act of movement toward learning itself, which requires instruction and learning. Hop from scribes to the innovative, world-changing printing press, to radio, to film, to television and so on, I will give sworn testimony, to the best of my estimation, that innovation does occur in regard to the medium and the content. The process, though, remains relatively unchanged. I can guarantee that I could find a way to bore my students with loads of web 2.0, and that even the best technologically sound teaching practices will leave some students still feeling lost. 

Perhaps the saying, "Publish or Perish" from which you may have derived your post title is moving toward obsolete, but I'm old enough to rethink the "Innovate or Die" mentality. It really takes a village. I would want to live in one that has wireless access, of course, but still....

If you take as much responsibility for your learning as you require of your teachers, you will be a success in anything you aspire to. It takes a lot of tries over a lot of time to gain mastery of anything. I look forward to seeing you in about 10 years! I think your prospects are looking good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-cc083d9b68531fda394402efcdf4bf48a85e6090'>Hello, Anthony. I just had my (first) 40th birthday this year, and I am taking a course that helps teachers integrate technology into the curriculum. At age 40, I can say that there is no substitute for the accomplishment of doing anything remotely specialized (like a job, hobby, sport, gardening, higher education, being a friend/spouse)than long-term experience; I&#8217;m thinking a decade or more as a ball-park. </p>
<p>When I look at the median-aged/experienced teacher, those of us with about 15 years or so under our belts, I can honestly say that most of my colleagues in that category are working hard on a daily basis to find ways to teach better, doing anything to make learning happen. We care, and that is more important than anything else in my book.</p>
<p>In Ecclesiastes, a book from somewhere in the middle of the Bible, written by King Solomon, he write that &#8220;there is nothing new under the sun.&#8221; Solomon did not use a pencil to write those words. He may not have even written them by his own hand, but by dictation to a scribe. In any case, Solomon was putting out his thoughts, and I can read them today, even online! The medium is not as important as the act of movement toward learning itself, which requires instruction and learning. Hop from scribes to the innovative, world-changing printing press, to radio, to film, to television and so on, I will give sworn testimony, to the best of my estimation, that innovation does occur in regard to the medium and the content. The process, though, remains relatively unchanged. I can guarantee that I could find a way to bore my students with loads of web 2.0, and that even the best technologically sound teaching practices will leave some students still feeling lost. </p>
<p>Perhaps the saying, &#8220;Publish or Perish&#8221; from which you may have derived your post title is moving toward obsolete, but I&#8217;m old enough to rethink the &#8220;Innovate or Die&#8221; mentality. It really takes a village. I would want to live in one that has wireless access, of course, but still....</p>
<p>If you take as much responsibility for your learning as you require of your teachers, you will be a success in anything you aspire to. It takes a lot of tries over a lot of time to gain mastery of anything. I look forward to seeing you in about 10 years! I think your prospects are looking good.</p></div>
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		<title>By: Thing #5 &#124; The Burnt Baguette</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1594</link>
		<dc:creator>Thing #5 &#124; The Burnt Baguette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1594</guid>
		<description>[...] first student comment that I read was this. It not only blew me away, but it set off a spark in me to learn more and more about Web 2.0. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-5bf4ca987ea0f8abdb0805cd6db7e3a4434742f4'>[...] first student comment that I read was this. It not only blew me away, but it set off a spark in me to learn more and more about Web 2.0. [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Irene</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1535</link>
		<dc:creator>Irene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Irene</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1533</link>
		<dc:creator>Irene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I have mixed feelings about your comments and ideas.  I certainly agree that the current generation of high school and college students are all about Web 2.0 tools and communications, and that those of us who teach in these arenas must step up and learn how to use these tools and use them well.  However, I'm not sure you understand that we might need some help to catch up and that some of our older tools still work well. It simply won't do for me to master blogs and wikis and such in order to motivate and reach my geometry students if I can't convey all the geometry lessons in the curriculum.  At our school, we teach a semester-long geometry course, so we can offer some other topics in Finite Math the other semester.  So we are already crunched for time.  We don't have room in the schedule to ADD new lessons on how to navigate wikis and blogs.  I don't expect all my students are as proficient users as you are. I hope (and need) to find ways to use these Web 2.0 tools to get students excited about collaborating on their learning geometry and, at the same time, hone their web skills and help me do the same.  I think we can do it together as long as members of different generations and web-ability-groups are open to learning from each other and not judgemental or proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-4bddb379dd0b8abc90609ac65962f22ba24de10d'>I have to say I have mixed feelings about your comments and ideas.  I certainly agree that the current generation of high school and college students are all about Web 2.0 tools and communications, and that those of us who teach in these arenas must step up and learn how to use these tools and use them well.  However, I&#8217;m not sure you understand that we might need some help to catch up and that some of our older tools still work well. It simply won&#8217;t do for me to master blogs and wikis and such in order to motivate and reach my geometry students if I can&#8217;t convey all the geometry lessons in the curriculum.  At our school, we teach a semester-long geometry course, so we can offer some other topics in Finite Math the other semester.  So we are already crunched for time.  We don&#8217;t have room in the schedule to ADD new lessons on how to navigate wikis and blogs.  I don&#8217;t expect all my students are as proficient users as you are. I hope (and need) to find ways to use these Web 2.0 tools to get students excited about collaborating on their learning geometry and, at the same time, hone their web skills and help me do the same.  I think we can do it together as long as members of different generations and web-ability-groups are open to learning from each other and not judgemental or proud.</div>
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		<title>By: Thing 5, Task 2, second blog &#124; Web 2.0</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1482</link>
		<dc:creator>Thing 5, Task 2, second blog &#124; Web 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 02:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1482</guid>
		<description>[...] had posted.  I particularly liked what Anthony Chivetta said in &#8220;Innovate or Die&#8221; (http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/).    To quote what he said, &#8220;Project-based learning, one-to-one programs, insert education [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-1ff53954aca65e20fc3aee362279ce4df25bd658'>[...] had posted.  I particularly liked what Anthony Chivetta said in &#8220;Innovate or Die&#8221; (http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/).    To quote what he said, &#8220;Project-based learning, one-to-one programs, insert education [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Thing 23: Where do we go from here? &#124; Library Lion</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1421</link>
		<dc:creator>Thing 23: Where do we go from here? &#124; Library Lion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1421</guid>
		<description>[...] an early blog post of mine, Thing 5, in which I refer to a high school student&#8217;s post.  In Innovate or Die, Anthony Chivetta throws down the gauntlet to challenge his teachers to both accept and embrace the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-cc26cd143203df6889957f7f3401101123ab1eb7'>[...] an early blog post of mine, Thing 5, in which I refer to a high school student&#8217;s post.  In Innovate or Die, Anthony Chivetta throws down the gauntlet to challenge his teachers to both accept and embrace the [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Dr. Davis</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1415</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that you make some good points and I can certainly see how teachers need to get involved with technology.  

I also appreciated your comment against passive acceptance of information from the media, though I will say that the generation before yours is who began the pushback and currently enable it.

I am interested in your description of teaching back and wonder if you could comment more on how you think that could happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-d203d73d08776a07ffdf184360d4a32d3d2aee9b'>I think that you make some good points and I can certainly see how teachers need to get involved with technology.  </p>
<p>I also appreciated your comment against passive acceptance of information from the media, though I will say that the generation before yours is who began the pushback and currently enable it.</p>
<p>I am interested in your description of teaching back and wonder if you could comment more on how you think that could happen.</p></div>
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		<title>By: Reflections on Google reader &#124; Web 2.0 Portfolio</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1382</link>
		<dc:creator>Reflections on Google reader &#124; Web 2.0 Portfolio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1382</guid>
		<description>[...] at such a furious pace that teachers have been left behind. For example, I read this post about innovation on student 2.0. How is a huge bureaucracy such as the public school system to stay afloat in this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-c941b7d2895d4b307e83e123cc7603c4942453f8'>[...] at such a furious pace that teachers have been left behind. For example, I read this post about innovation on student 2.0. How is a huge bureaucracy such as the public school system to stay afloat in this [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Nils Peterson</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1344</link>
		<dc:creator>Nils Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/08/31/innovate-or-die/#comment-1344</guid>
		<description>I'm excited to find this site and this post in particular. Within WSU's Center for Teaching, Learning and Technology we are thinking about these ideas, from the perspective of how the university might reform. We are trying to find the 2.0 replacement for Blackboard, and its not just a different teacher-controlled tool. We are thinking about how the community might (must) play roles in &lt;a href="http://wsuctlt.wordpress.com/tag/assessment/" rel="nofollow"&gt;assessing learning 2.0&lt;/a&gt;.

Given that, my question to Anthony is &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Ug75diEyiA0&#38;hl=en" rel="nofollow"&gt;Where's the Beef?&lt;/a&gt; . 
Show me a Student 2.0. 

George Hotz is one, he &lt;a href="http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;hacked the iPhone&lt;/a&gt; as a summer project. It got him all the "certification" he could have hoped for from a university degree. Where are the others?

If Student 2.0 is needing some help getting started, beyond twittering and naval gazing in a blog, then let me suggest some ideas:

The UN has a mechanism for people to ask for or become volunteers on projects. Joan Oviawe used it to start the &lt;a href="https://mysite.wsu.edu/personal/joviawe/GraceFoundation/default.aspx" rel="nofollow"&gt;Grace Foundation&lt;/a&gt;. 

MIT's ThinkCycle Project (currently offline Oct 8/08) is described here in the context of how the &lt;a href="http://www.nilspeterson.com/2007/07/30/land-grant-20/" rel="nofollow"&gt;idea might play out in a land grant university&lt;/a&gt;.

Or you can find your own problem and build a community around it as &lt;a href="https://mysite.wsu.edu/personal/mtamez/calaboz/default.aspx" rel="nofollow"&gt;Margo Tamez demonstrates&lt;/a&gt; in her work on the US-Mexican border.

Want help thinking this through? &lt;a href="mailto:nils_peterson@wsu.edu" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ask&lt;/a&gt;. We'd like to see more Students 2.0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-130d6140cce8e8791c2d3dc3a1cbd9510798aae4'>I&#8217;m excited to find this site and this post in particular. Within WSU&#8217;s Center for Teaching, Learning and Technology we are thinking about these ideas, from the perspective of how the university might reform. We are trying to find the 2.0 replacement for Blackboard, and its not just a different teacher-controlled tool. We are thinking about how the community might (must) play roles in <a href="http://wsuctlt.wordpress.com/tag/assessment/" rel="nofollow">assessing learning 2.0</a>.</p>
<p>Given that, my question to Anthony is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Ug75diEyiA0&amp;hl=en" rel="nofollow">Where&#8217;s the Beef?</a> .<br />
Show me a Student 2.0. </p>
<p>George Hotz is one, he <a href="http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">hacked the iPhone</a> as a summer project. It got him all the &#8220;certification&#8221; he could have hoped for from a university degree. Where are the others?</p>
<p>If Student 2.0 is needing some help getting started, beyond twittering and naval gazing in a blog, then let me suggest some ideas:</p>
<p>The UN has a mechanism for people to ask for or become volunteers on projects. Joan Oviawe used it to start the <a href="https://mysite.wsu.edu/personal/joviawe/GraceFoundation/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">Grace Foundation</a>. </p>
<p>MIT&#8217;s ThinkCycle Project (currently offline Oct 8/08) is described here in the context of how the <a href="http://www.nilspeterson.com/2007/07/30/land-grant-20/" rel="nofollow">idea might play out in a land grant university</a>.</p>
<p>Or you can find your own problem and build a community around it as <a href="https://mysite.wsu.edu/personal/mtamez/calaboz/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">Margo Tamez demonstrates</a> in her work on the US-Mexican border.</p>
<p>Want help thinking this through? <a href="mailto:nils_peterson@wsu.edu" rel="nofollow">Ask</a>. We&#8217;d like to see more Students 2.0.</div>
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