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	<title>Comments on: Where do we draw the line?</title>
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	<description>The silent majority speaks up</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Inpudgeensup</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-1262</link>
		<dc:creator>Inpudgeensup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant!</description>
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		<title>By: When And Where Am I NOT A Teacher? &#124; Clarify Me</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-920</link>
		<dc:creator>When And Where Am I NOT A Teacher? &#124; Clarify Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-920</guid>
		<description>[...] about a post over at Students 2.o by Sean the Bass Player back in February. Sean&#8217;s post, Where Do We Draw The Line?, discusses whether teachers would want to have students joining their on-line networks. It&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-91c2f78471a06aeb2282bc882c04977ed37191fe'>[...] about a post over at Students 2.o by Sean the Bass Player back in February. Sean&#8217;s post, Where Do We Draw The Line?, discusses whether teachers would want to have students joining their on-line networks. It&#8217;s [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Jez</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-872</link>
		<dc:creator>Jez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-872</guid>
		<description>I wonder if the line should be drawn at all..

Without a doubt, I think that teenagers and adults are able to have good conversations. As long as they respects each other. However, some of the teenagers might have found strangeness for communicating with adults. I think that's actually quite normal. But it doesn't necessarily means that there should be a line between because the line would be stepped across by these teenagers eventually.(hopefully)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-138a837c2d6fcd4854b20231b4cfe06f81b4d185'>I wonder if the line should be drawn at all..</p>
<p>Without a doubt, I think that teenagers and adults are able to have good conversations. As long as they respects each other. However, some of the teenagers might have found strangeness for communicating with adults. I think that&#8217;s actually quite normal. But it doesn&#8217;t necessarily means that there should be a line between because the line would be stepped across by these teenagers eventually.(hopefully)</p></div>
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		<title>By: K12 Learning 2.0 &#187; Thing 5: Getting Started with RSS</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>K12 Learning 2.0 &#187; Thing 5: Getting Started with RSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-844</guid>
		<description>[...] all outside of the classroom! Sean &#8220;The Bass Player&#8221; blogged about this in Where do we draw the line?, but from a slightly different perspective.  There have always been barriers in place between [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-bfa1f38827309e2458f5279ac1d8117f359102f3'>[...] all outside of the classroom! Sean &#8220;The Bass Player&#8221; blogged about this in Where do we draw the line?, but from a slightly different perspective.  There have always been barriers in place between [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Comment for Student20h.org (again) &#187; $†å®buçk$ ®øçk$</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-840</link>
		<dc:creator>Comment for Student20h.org (again) &#187; $†å®buçk$ ®øçk$</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-840</guid>
		<description>[...] on a post by Student2oh.org    This entry was posted on Tuesday, February 26th, 2008 at 1:42 pm and is filed under Comments. You [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-66645e84168f69206e29611ac82a9ce692000047'>[...] on a post by Student2oh.org    This entry was posted on Tuesday, February 26th, 2008 at 1:42 pm and is filed under Comments. You [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Corrie Bergeron</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>Corrie Bergeron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-827</guid>
		<description>I'm a bit late to the conversation, so I'll just add, "yeah, what they said!"  :-)  I've been following Sean on Twitter for a while now.  I didn't realize he was a teenager.  

If teens don't interact with responsible adults from all over the globe, how will they learn to be responsible global citizens?  By watching YouTube videos?  Oh, wait, YouTube is blocked.  

There is no privacy online.  If someone has sufficient means and motivation, you can be found.  It's a great motivation to live circumspectly.  "If you'd have a hard time explaining it to your mom, spouse, boss, the press, or a judge, think twice."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-1de7605e6e0e3992c239bfbf805aae4f146c5f98'>I&#8217;m a bit late to the conversation, so I&#8217;ll just add, &#8220;yeah, what they said!&#8221;  <img src='http://students2oh.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ve been following Sean on Twitter for a while now.  I didn&#8217;t realize he was a teenager.  </p>
<p>If teens don&#8217;t interact with responsible adults from all over the globe, how will they learn to be responsible global citizens?  By watching YouTube videos?  Oh, wait, YouTube is blocked.  </p>
<p>There is no privacy online.  If someone has sufficient means and motivation, you can be found.  It&#8217;s a great motivation to live circumspectly.  &#8220;If you&#8217;d have a hard time explaining it to your mom, spouse, boss, the press, or a judge, think twice.&#8221;</p></div>
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		<title>By: YouthNet at Students 2.0</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-809</link>
		<dc:creator>YouthNet at Students 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-809</guid>
		<description>[...] Twitter (where the student population would be considered &#8220;endangered&#8221; at best), and, like Sean, I wonder why students haven’t all taken to the web. The answer is simple: where would they go? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-8aacae6bfb00e10e7dd74459d0d2bc6e31a44d70'>[...] Twitter (where the student population would be considered &#8220;endangered&#8221; at best), and, like Sean, I wonder why students haven’t all taken to the web. The answer is simple: where would they go? [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Dennis Chen</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-807</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-807</guid>
		<description>I really like this blog. I've never thought about it is weird to communicate with adults. If there is no strangeness between teenagers and adults, then we wouldn't even tend to associate with people who are same age as us. I think the reason why we're acting like this, is because we feel that people who are same age would understand your mind easily; we can have more unspoken consensus!! As I become a adult in future, I'll understand these reasons deeper and more clear, and try to let the teenager feel I am also a teenager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-ca6d0dc180acf26ea1c58452fd2a6587ddaefe08'>I really like this blog. I&#8217;ve never thought about it is weird to communicate with adults. If there is no strangeness between teenagers and adults, then we wouldn&#8217;t even tend to associate with people who are same age as us. I think the reason why we&#8217;re acting like this, is because we feel that people who are same age would understand your mind easily; we can have more unspoken consensus!! As I become a adult in future, I&#8217;ll understand these reasons deeper and more clear, and try to let the teenager feel I am also a teenager.</div>
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		<title>By: Soojin</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-769</link>
		<dc:creator>Soojin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-769</guid>
		<description>Hey, sean!

Scarily enough well, you wrote the exact same thing I had in my mind except i didn't have any skype calls.

I'm even in a worse situation than being surrounded by group of adults, I am the ONLY asian among the people i'm interacting with in Twitter and in my Blog (Quatar visited me recently!)

Interacting with adults are extremely discouraged in Korea. When young and old doesn't know each other and if they meet in the Internet, they can be good friends (even lovers). But by the time they get to know their true age, they get farther from each other. 

Also my so called 'Asian-Confucianism" remnants in my people's head seems to be contradicting with some white peoples concept according to a few comments on this post: http://tinyurl.com/2jnfcw

Yes, anyways for me online networking is a great experience of 'cultural diffusion' (term i learned in history class last year pshh) and especially 3 minute tweet chat w/ u today was memorable. 

By the way, after writing this, I don't feel like having contact with same asians more.. i actually enjoyed talking with white strangers in less than one month of my tweeting.

lets call some native african dudes and talk about huttus and tutsis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-c8a8fae6ecdebd65d652042db4b3ce2f43bf4745'>Hey, sean!</p>
<p>Scarily enough well, you wrote the exact same thing I had in my mind except i didn&#8217;t have any skype calls.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m even in a worse situation than being surrounded by group of adults, I am the ONLY asian among the people i&#8217;m interacting with in Twitter and in my Blog (Quatar visited me recently!)</p>
<p>Interacting with adults are extremely discouraged in Korea. When young and old doesn&#8217;t know each other and if they meet in the Internet, they can be good friends (even lovers). But by the time they get to know their true age, they get farther from each other. </p>
<p>Also my so called &#8216;Asian-Confucianism&#8221; remnants in my people&#8217;s head seems to be contradicting with some white peoples concept according to a few comments on this post: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2jnfcw" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2jnfcw</a></p>
<p>Yes, anyways for me online networking is a great experience of &#8216;cultural diffusion&#8217; (term i learned in history class last year pshh) and especially 3 minute tweet chat w/ u today was memorable. </p>
<p>By the way, after writing this, I don&#8217;t feel like having contact with same asians more.. i actually enjoyed talking with white strangers in less than one month of my tweeting.</p>
<p>lets call some native african dudes and talk about huttus and tutsis</p></div>
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		<title>By: Sean "The Bass Player"</title>
		<link>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-768</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean "The Bass Player"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://students2oh.org/2008/02/10/where-do-we-draw-the-line/#comment-768</guid>
		<description>Been really busy lately with exams and things, so sorry for the late reply... but thank you all for your responses. I'm especially glad to see a few student comments above. 

&lt;b&gt;Mr K.&lt;/b&gt; you put forward interesting points. I can see where you're coming from and I think this is why this type of thing needs to be thought about. The politically correct attitude of society these days makes sticky situations out of even the simplest of things, and this is why it's not an easy question to answer.

&lt;b&gt;a. woody delauder&lt;/b&gt; I am glad you are open to letting students in... this is important. How difficult would you foresee this network building being with students of the age you are teaching?

&lt;b&gt;Jen&lt;/b&gt; I realised that at the time, but the question got me thinking about these other issues. It's not so much interested in American culture, it's just you guys seem to be a lot more in tune with all of these things we talk about! But now you mention it an American exchange would be cool! Always wondered what it would be like in an American school.

&lt;b&gt;Chris&lt;/b&gt; Why do you find them more blurred? I'd be interested to know :)

&lt;b&gt;Diane&lt;/b&gt; I'm glad you consider the playing field to be level, I think this is an important thing to believe with online networking.

&lt;b&gt;Sheryl&lt;/b&gt; Thank you very much, I appreciate your kind words.

&lt;b&gt;Bill&lt;/b&gt; I am glad you are feeling the change, I am also glad you are enjoying the posts from my fellow students 2.0 and I!

&lt;b&gt;Eric&lt;/b&gt; I like your take on things... along with this I think the attitude of the people deciding what the teachers role is should change. Unplugging is always an option!

&lt;b&gt;Charlie&lt;/b&gt; I think the idea of appropriate boundaries can be focussed too much on in society (schools in particular) these days. As I said in one of the comments above, political correctness is something I'm not a big fan on - I just think a lot of time is wasted these days with thinking "oh but what will happen if I do this... will this cross the line?"

&lt;b&gt;Melissa&lt;/b&gt; Very interesting thoughts, I like them... a lot. "Adults should never ask anything of a student that they would not like for another adult to ask of their own children" - a very good guideline in my opinion

&lt;b&gt;Clay&lt;/b&gt; Your insight stuns me sometimes... it really does. We need to talk more.

&lt;b&gt;Michael&lt;/b&gt; You put forward a good point, although I'm not sure I'd be for teachers having to manage what they are doing online for the fear of what may happen. It's just not right in my eyes. I don't think teachers and students should act as students and teachers... I think this defeats the purpose. As Diane mentioned in her comment "The playing field is level; only ideas matter."

&lt;b&gt;Taylor&lt;/b&gt; Very good point of view. You're quite right, if teachers can be trusted in the classroom why not on the internet? I don't think you're expecting too much there, I think it's a perfectly reasonable thing to ask! I think you're right in the sense that you shouldn't have to pull down your adult conversations just because your students are online, after all they don't have to read them, and it's down to them if they do, not you. You shouldn't be held accountable for anything that comes of a student seeing one of your online conversations.

&lt;b&gt;John&lt;/b&gt; You're quite right, a teacher shouldn't &lt;b&gt;have&lt;/b&gt; to be there online to communicate with their students 24/7 but I think it's more of a case of they are there when they are there and can communicate if necessary... it shouldn't be a must.

&lt;b&gt;pheonix&lt;/b&gt; You're right, we shouldn't have to draw a line, but there always will be consequences from not drawing one...

&lt;b&gt;pepperr&lt;/b&gt; Why do you think this is? I agree... young people do probably respond more to visuals etc. Not sure why though, but remember a lot of adults love that sort of stuff too! For starters it's adults bringing us myspace etc.
 
&lt;b&gt;kubavb7&lt;/b&gt; How big a factor do you think lack of time is when it comes to a students online activity? do you think it would improve if it was classroom integrated?

&lt;b&gt;3ways&lt;/b&gt; As I mentioned above I think that many adults also do the same, but why do you think the majority of young people completely switch off without this type of media integration?

&lt;b&gt;Grizz13&lt;/b&gt; I'm not quite sure what you mean about making sure things are secure.

&lt;b&gt;Spongebobeob&lt;/b&gt; What sort of compromise do you suggest?

&lt;b&gt;Anand Thakker&lt;/b&gt; Not a problem at all... thanks for responding! It's great hearing the views from someone in your type of school environment. I'm glad to hear you talking so positively about this type of student - teacher relationship!


Thank you all again for your replies, they have kept me busy over the last while... I'm sorry if some of the replies were a bit rushed, it was difficult catching up with them all in one go!

Sean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='microid-236a9d2e9593aae222bee50625e2b4027331c249'>Been really busy lately with exams and things, so sorry for the late reply... but thank you all for your responses. I&#8217;m especially glad to see a few student comments above. </p>
<p><b>Mr K.</b> you put forward interesting points. I can see where you&#8217;re coming from and I think this is why this type of thing needs to be thought about. The politically correct attitude of society these days makes sticky situations out of even the simplest of things, and this is why it&#8217;s not an easy question to answer.</p>
<p><b>a. woody delauder</b> I am glad you are open to letting students in... this is important. How difficult would you foresee this network building being with students of the age you are teaching?</p>
<p><b>Jen</b> I realised that at the time, but the question got me thinking about these other issues. It&#8217;s not so much interested in American culture, it&#8217;s just you guys seem to be a lot more in tune with all of these things we talk about! But now you mention it an American exchange would be cool! Always wondered what it would be like in an American school.</p>
<p><b>Chris</b> Why do you find them more blurred? I&#8217;d be interested to know <img src='http://students2oh.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><b>Diane</b> I&#8217;m glad you consider the playing field to be level, I think this is an important thing to believe with online networking.</p>
<p><b>Sheryl</b> Thank you very much, I appreciate your kind words.</p>
<p><b>Bill</b> I am glad you are feeling the change, I am also glad you are enjoying the posts from my fellow students 2.0 and I!</p>
<p><b>Eric</b> I like your take on things... along with this I think the attitude of the people deciding what the teachers role is should change. Unplugging is always an option!</p>
<p><b>Charlie</b> I think the idea of appropriate boundaries can be focussed too much on in society (schools in particular) these days. As I said in one of the comments above, political correctness is something I&#8217;m not a big fan on - I just think a lot of time is wasted these days with thinking &#8220;oh but what will happen if I do this... will this cross the line?&#8221;</p>
<p><b>Melissa</b> Very interesting thoughts, I like them... a lot. &#8220;Adults should never ask anything of a student that they would not like for another adult to ask of their own children&#8221; - a very good guideline in my opinion</p>
<p><b>Clay</b> Your insight stuns me sometimes... it really does. We need to talk more.</p>
<p><b>Michael</b> You put forward a good point, although I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d be for teachers having to manage what they are doing online for the fear of what may happen. It&#8217;s just not right in my eyes. I don&#8217;t think teachers and students should act as students and teachers... I think this defeats the purpose. As Diane mentioned in her comment &#8220;The playing field is level; only ideas matter.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>Taylor</b> Very good point of view. You&#8217;re quite right, if teachers can be trusted in the classroom why not on the internet? I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re expecting too much there, I think it&#8217;s a perfectly reasonable thing to ask! I think you&#8217;re right in the sense that you shouldn&#8217;t have to pull down your adult conversations just because your students are online, after all they don&#8217;t have to read them, and it&#8217;s down to them if they do, not you. You shouldn&#8217;t be held accountable for anything that comes of a student seeing one of your online conversations.</p>
<p><b>John</b> You&#8217;re quite right, a teacher shouldn&#8217;t <b>have</b> to be there online to communicate with their students 24/7 but I think it&#8217;s more of a case of they are there when they are there and can communicate if necessary... it shouldn&#8217;t be a must.</p>
<p><b>pheonix</b> You&#8217;re right, we shouldn&#8217;t have to draw a line, but there always will be consequences from not drawing one...</p>
<p><b>pepperr</b> Why do you think this is? I agree... young people do probably respond more to visuals etc. Not sure why though, but remember a lot of adults love that sort of stuff too! For starters it&#8217;s adults bringing us myspace etc.</p>
<p><b>kubavb7</b> How big a factor do you think lack of time is when it comes to a students online activity? do you think it would improve if it was classroom integrated?</p>
<p><b>3ways</b> As I mentioned above I think that many adults also do the same, but why do you think the majority of young people completely switch off without this type of media integration?</p>
<p><b>Grizz13</b> I&#8217;m not quite sure what you mean about making sure things are secure.</p>
<p><b>Spongebobeob</b> What sort of compromise do you suggest?</p>
<p><b>Anand Thakker</b> Not a problem at all... thanks for responding! It&#8217;s great hearing the views from someone in your type of school environment. I&#8217;m glad to hear you talking so positively about this type of student - teacher relationship!</p>
<p>Thank you all again for your replies, they have kept me busy over the last while... I&#8217;m sorry if some of the replies were a bit rushed, it was difficult catching up with them all in one go!</p>
<p>Sean</p></div>
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